her dedication to reporting on the war, even has her own life offended by it. she left ukraine after the russian invasion and landed in germany where she anchored a daily news program specifically for the ukrainian refugee population there. despite being forced to leave ukraine, she knew she had to carry on her purposes as a journalist, telling the associated press, quote, my life has changed completely but i m ukrainian and i want to be like a voice of freedom for people for all the people suffering from this war. she is back in ukraine and joins me live in kyiv. she s a longtime tv host in ukraine, most recently anchor to the show ukraine update which airs on the german tv channel. great to meet you. thank you for your introduction. everything about you was interesting including your name. your friends call you carroll. it s sort. it s a short version of my name. my father s nigerian.
thank you for being with us. i understand you are not in russia any more, is that right? you are istanbul? i more, is that right? you are istanbul? istanbul? i am out of russia unfortunately. istanbul? i am out of russia unfortunately. how- istanbul? i am out of russia unfortunately. how did i istanbul? i am out of russia unfortunately. how did you | istanbul? i am out of russia i unfortunately. how did you get there? there unfortunately. how did you get there? there were unfortunately. how did you get there? there were so - unfortunately. how did you get there? there were so many i unfortunately. how did you get i there? there were so many signals and threats there? there were so many signals and threats about there? there were so many signals and threats about what there? there were so many signals and threats about what we - there? there were so many signals and threats about what we were i and threats about what we were facing. it is not aboutjust some kind of problems
steve rosenberg, who i have interviewed by the way, and this is breaking my heart, because people at ekho moskvy which steve was covering the story of, these guys are my friends. my closest friends. these guys are the symbol ofjournalism in russia. they have huge stories, our tv channel, tv rain, used to be the main voice of freedom, the main toys of powerfuljournalism in russia, that had assisted though it in spite of the fact they were precious already. there were already problems in russia, problems with censorship. in russia, problems with censorshi. ~ . . ,, censorship. what happened in the last week when censorship. what happened in the last week when the censorship. what happened in the last week when the war censorship. what happened in the last week when the war started i censorship. what happened in the last week when the war started and | last week when the war started and you were trying to cover the war? what sort of intimidation and pressure was there? this what so
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