before the 2012 election because, i quote, rupert wants donald trump to win, the dnc said it has decided against letting fox news host a debate. perez said recent reporting in the new yorker on the inappropriate relationship between president trump, his administration, and fox news has led me to conclude that the network is not in a position to host a fair and neutral debate for our candidates. and dnc chairman tom perez joins me now. good to have you, chairman. always a pleasure. first yes, i guess, is was it really the jane mayer reporting? i mean, the dnc has not given fox news a debate in a long time. i remember this being a fight ten years ago. the net roots was fighting against it. did you really need to be tipped over by the jane mayer piece? is that what did it? well, there were two north stars, chris, as we have been preparing for this debate. number one, i want to make sure as many people as possible see our candidates. because i believe that our views, our vision dem
is that what did it? well, there were two north stars, chris wit, as we have be preparing for this debate. number one, i want to make sure as many people as possible see our candidates. because i believe that our views, our vision demand the respect of the majority of the american people, including people who watch fox news. people, republicans, democrats, independents have pre-existing conditions and believe that they ought to be able to keep their health care, including people who watch fox news. so we reached out to all of the media outlets, including fox news as we were preparing for these debates. our second north star principles in this these debates is to make sure that whichever network runs them ensures that our candidates are treated fairly. now, you had the video before of chris wallace. i have great respect for chris wallace, and my concern is not about chris wallace. it s about people above chris wallace. because what we have seen now, and it s been really most recently