like this, a white collar case, where the charges and the conduct is so similar that you would have both sentences run consecutively. so if he s only going to get a few more years anyway on the d.c. case, it a it s a lot of time, a lot of efforts, a lot of resources and a lot of witnesses that you re putting on the stand that can be cross examined on their testimony later that you might want to avoid. there s a lot of reasons short of cooperation why bob mueller would want to avoid this trial and agree to this. glenn, i m still hung up on this. manafort is only pleading guilty to two counts, although he s essentially admitting to everything, so what does that mean in legal terms? so here s what that means, when you read through criminal information that was filed today i agree that he was facing seven counts and he is now pleading guilty to two counts, but those two counts basically require him to admit his guilt of all seven
witnesses while on pre-trial release. what do you think of bob mueller s repeated message here that regardless of what rudy giuliani says on tv, conspiracy to obstruct justice is a felony? robert mueller plays it hard. he didn t blink in this case. he was willing to bring the second trial to trial. as mya said, he got manafort to completely fold. if you re involved in this case and you haven t come to that conclusion yet, i think you ll end up in a world of hurt. one line of inquiry that we haven t seen a lot of yet but could be a threat to many of the participants here is lying to congress. a lot of these guys have given private testimony to the congressional committees and if you have manafort out there talk about what really happened and
between 2006 and 2017 both dates being proximaapproximate and in, if this is 2006 to 2017, last i checked would include paul manafort s time with the trump campaign, and does that not take sarah sanders statement and throw it straight out of the window? well, look, she is right that these charges, and this conduct a has nothing to do on the face of omanafort running the campaign and no allegation of corruption on the campaign and what is obvious for some time, and including in the virginia trial, and further obvious from the charges that you just read is that paul manafort s crime spree continued right up into the time and through the time he was workinging on the trump campaign, and we know that he was essentially broke, strapped for cash and defrauding the b k banks at the time he was working on the trump campaign, and there is one bank where he recommended
at least in part, and i think it makes a pardon much less legitimate in the event the president tries to pardon paul manafort. okay. but, chuck, the reason i m hung up on that, whether or not paul manafort is cooperating in addition to a plea is if he has his sights set on a pardon and i want to share a little bit of the interview president trump did with fox news back in august when he was speaking about witnesses who flip, and of course witnesses who flip are those who cooperate. watch this. if you re saying the payments, if they re not illegal, then why would he even why would he use that information for a plea deal? because he makes a better deal when he uses me, like everybody else, and one of the reasons i respect paul manafort so much is he went through that trial. you know, they make up stories. people make up stories. this whole thing about flipping they call it, i know all about flipping for 30, 40 years i ve been watching flippers.
is cut, they sit down with the client and start to hear what is straight from the horse s mouth. this is the opposite. mr. manafort has provided this information. we re already a significant step into this information and the prosecutors have credited it. the obvious question is if paul manafort wanted to do proffer sessions, if he wants to get something back for all this, wouldn t he have been better off doing that at the beginning of this process rather than after he got one conviction in one trial? yeah. he rolled the dice. i think before that virginia trial he said to himself, look, i m going to roll the dice. if i win in virginia, i ll go on and fight it in d.c. i ll roll the dice there. if i roll 12 or the best roll you can roll then he walks. ghe he gets a free pass. he has done the only avenue he had left which is to walk into the prosecutor s office. it was my opinion that the