unfortunately, why folks of color do not have the same access to material educational resources, et cetera, et cetera. right? that it s not sort of this evil, bad guy, individual villain situation going on. and, unfortunately, i think because, as you said, also, we have not actually had a lot of practice at having these kinds of discussions about, sort of, how systems work, to oppress large groups of people, while at the same time, they work to privilege other large groups of people that, you know, the first response that many of us have is one of defense, defensiveness. so, you know, sometimes that s what happens in the classroom, unfortunately. because i i was going to say, professor gibney. absolutely, right? sometimes, particularly when we re trying to foster