operative while he was trump s campaign chairman. so more on that in just a second. let s get back to the white house and that meeting between trump and congressional leaders under way in the situation room and a lunch with the senate republicans on the hill the last hour. senator susan collins, a republican, who has called for the shutdown to end was saying there was, quote, vigorous discussion. another senator telling cnn that trump was lively but not confrontational so let s go separate to abby phillip for a bit more color on these meetings and what these different folks are saying, so, you know, another day, another meeting, more negotiating. will this move the needle? reporter: that s a really great question, brooke. we ve been asking for days on whether or not anything is changing on the shutdown front that president trump is saying today what he s been saying for quite some time, that he wants his border wall and that s the message he delivered to republican senators on the hi