work her magic and get them all on the same page? charles, the way i would say, it comes down to those that believe that we should follow joe biden and those that want to obstruct biden s agenda. 210 house democrats want to pass biden s agenda. a few holdouts. they need to get on board. joe biden won the election. he deserves to have his agenda enacted. charles: well, another part of this viewing spectacle has been growing speculation that ultimately something will happen on the social spending side but it won t be 3.5 trillion. is there a number below there where you saw you draw the line? you comprised at 3, 2 1/2, 1 1/2. where do you say no, absolutely we can t go any lower? i don t want to give you a red line. we re open to negotiation. i want to put the number in context over the next ten years, the it is economy will have about $300 trillion in gdp growth. it will have 7.5 trillion in defense.