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of knotty. it s a dilemma. there s some people who believe the surge was a clear-cut win, but there are a lot of people in the foreign policy community who say that it might not have been a clear-cut victory or success, that it might have succeeded because they got lucky and ethnic cleansing had sort of led to a decrease in violence to begin with and that it certainly did not create the political space that it was supposed to create, the political consolidation that people wanted to see in iraq. so it s a very complicated issue. you know what? john mccain knows that. but the surge is his baby. it s what he ran on in 2008. he lost and he s out for revenge. and chuck hagel was it was a very important moment when chuck hagel as a republican came out against the surge. that was a big deal to them. jonathan, it also struck me watching these hearings just how differently mccain and hagel seem to have been impacted by their vietnam experience. hagel was quoted in vietnam

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