whether or not they can stay in the race. whether or not donald trump would consider one of them to be his running mate. donald trump won t be there, but in this republican primary, he s going to be the most important topic, and the dominant topic of the night. victoria, to be even more specific, you have a memo on the debate. allies of ron desantis laying out a strategy for the florida governor to defend donald trump from chris christie. here is what christie said about that earlier today. this campaign of his has gone from up here to down here. because people are reallybennine hell he stands for. if what he stands for is defending donald trump, then just drop out of the race and endorsed him. look, the only way to beat someone is to beat them. if he thinks he s going to get on the stage and defend donald trump on wednesday night, then he should do donald trump a favor, and do a party favor. come to tallahassee, endorsed
kind of become a friday night regular. julián castro, former hug secretary and democratic candidate for president, and victoria defrancesco, the dean of the clinton school of public service at the university of arkansas. good evening to you all. john, i want to start with you. what is the latest from capitol hill on the debt limit? it s mind-blowing to me that the meeting got called off or postponed and everybody was like, oh, we will just take the weekend off. they have decided over years of having this problem that they won t solve it until the very absolute last moment. we are seeing that again in this iteration of the debt limit fight. included in this pressure, of course, our new demands from house republicans, possibly to deal with a border issue as part of the debt limit. and throwing even more sand in the gears this week, former president donald trump saying that the republicans should let the country go into default if president biden is not willing to agree to their spendi
so, until there is political courage and political courage in the white house, we are going to continue to see a system that i mean, people say it s broken. it s worse than broken. it is so deeply counterproductive on every level number one, the deterrence deterrence hasn t worked. we ve tried a lot of deterrence. nothing to tears people from coming here if they are seeking asylum or seeking a better life economically. the other thing that we have seen that s not working is our ability to process people in a humane way. you have overcrowding. you have deaths. you have all kinds of misery. the family separation policy that donald trump said this week he would think about re-implementing as a deterrent so, it s not just broken. it s much worse than that. and it will take courage for politicians to stand up and say, hey, guess what? we all know what the deal is. we all know how to make it work. and we re actually going to do it and take some political risks. victoria, even with th
and it will take courage for politicians to stand up and say, hey, guess what? we all know what the deal is. we all know how to make it work. so, we are actually going to do it and take some political risks. victoria, even with the dangerous journey, even with how awful the process is, that john was just mentioning, these migrants see the united states as their best and, in some cases, only option. how bad are things where they are coming from? they re willing to risk their life to come to the united states. and i ask all of your viewers to put themselves in that position. when you fear for your life, you fear for the life of your children and you have one option and it s a very dangerous option. and it s an option that may not work out in the end. you are going to take it. and that is something that, i think, all of us share. and i think that when we are talking about immigration, we need to put the human face back on it. and it s not just about folks coming here and criminals a
detention centers. it looks like a lot of chaos and confusion and more misery for these people. some of this was predictable. the administration dragged its feet to long in ending title 42. and then the courts held up the ending of it for too long. but now, it is all about trying to make sure that we can maintain that order, use those strained resources in the best, most effective way possible i know the administration is trying to do that. and then, also, not forget about who we are as a country and our values, of being compassionate and humane towards these people that are simply seeking a better life joe biden has always talked about this being a battle for the soul of the nation. and i think we ve got to keep that in mind here. because part of that soul it s about how we treat people who are coming from desperate places, seeking opportunity in the country. victoria defrancesco, walk us through what the administration has been doing at the border since joe biden took office.