documents that trump tried very hard to block. even could sent a committee request for her testimony. and the atlanta area da, wants a grand jury to investigate trump s efforts to overturn his election loss in georgia. the washington post reports, quote taken together, the event seemed to spill bad news for trump. but some who have observed him for decades or urge caution. after all, trump survived to house impeachments, avoiding conviction by the senate, as well as the investigation led by robert mueller into russian involvement, in the 2016 and several congressional probes of administration. back with us tonight, victoria defrancesco says go soto, dean of at the university of arkansas. and, msnbc political and in this, former george w. bush strategist, and founder of country over party, good evening to both of you. victoria, let s start with you. your evaluation of how things are going in trump world, as it relates, very specifically, to
election, quote, the most secure in american history, and quote. and matthew dowd. victoria, i want to point to will pull that republicans like the point to. it s a pew poll, that was taken in 2020. if you added the two numbers, 77, plus 17, you get 94% to this to me is possibly one of the greatest challenges in dealing with this decline of democracy that we re seeing. most americans don t actually believe that democracy is threatened, because they don t think that they re voting rights are threatened. when you see a poll number like this, you re like, 94%, there s no problem. people have that veasey access to the ballot, but the deal is, we need to take a step back and ask, who is the sample that is being asked to this question. look, i love pew, i think they do fantastic work.
that has shifted to the trump brand. put all of that together, and yes, things look very bad for him, but i m not going to count him out. at this point, i am still waiting to see what happens, in terms of his longevity within the republican party, and his prospects in politics, looking at 2024 and beyond. matt, i apologize in advance for asking you and our viewers to do a little mat, but following on what victoria said, let s look at a nbc poll, that gives us interesting data. it indicates a 56% of republican voters consider themselves 36% of registered voters saying there are fans of donald trump. now, this is an interesting change from past surveys. three years ago republicans often said they were trump supporters first. i don t know if this some embarrassment you get one or something happening in which republicans are starting to separate themselves from donald trump.
i think the two things, suggesting that he would provide pardons for the january 6th defendants. and again, we know that a number of those people have been charged with seditious conspiracy. and also the acknowledgment that he was in fact attempting to overturn the election. those two things really demonstrate what his intention was. demonstrates what he would do if given the chance again. but with us tonight is victoria defrancesco. but dean of the university of arkansas and an msnbc political analyst. also michael steele, former lieutenant governor of maryland and host of the fabulous michael steele podcast. good evening to both of you, thank you for being with us. i thought have to say, their choices that we make on our language and this is one of the. i think we have to stop calling this the attack on the capitol. because the pivotal part of what happened on january 6th, with each passing day, seems not to have been the attack on the capitol, as horrible as it was, it was this
that he was in fact attempting to overturn the election. those two things really demonstrate what his intention was. demonstrates what he would do if given the chance again. but with us tonight is victoria defrancesco. the dean of the university of arkansas and an msnbc political analyst. also michael steele, former lieutenant governor of maryland and host of the fabulous michael steele podcast. good evening to both of you, thank you for being with us. i thought have to say, their choices that we make on our language and this is one of them. i think we have to stop calling this the attack on the capitol. because the pivotal part of what happened on january 6th, with each passing day, seems not to have been the attack on the capitol, as horrible as it was, it was this forceful attack on democracy that was underway. before and after. led by the former president of the united states. it is.