counter-intelligence folks have been on alert and been tracking all of these things very carefully. this is important and the sense it makes general public much more aware of the extent china will gather intelligence. exactly right, victor you and i will talk a little bit more about the geopolitical implications of all of this, the diplomacy, what comes next. we do want to take those quick break because we are continuing to follow this breaking news story. there s chinese bible now shot down off the carolina coast over the atlantic ocean, we are being told the u.s. government now is collecting that debris to in fact analyze it and see in fact what china was up to. we are following the story, as we get more developments bring it to you. for, now be right back. (woman) it s a perfect fit for my small business. (vo) verizon has business internet solutions nationwide. (man) for our not-so-small business too. (vo) get internet that keeps your business ready for anything. from verizon. my
megan fitzgerald as always, thank you if of course you hear anything as you are getting word of course responses from china reactions and reactions from china, please stop us on the virtual shoulder and let us know because we will be watching that over the next hour or so. for, now thank you. want to bring in victor chalk once again to the conversation. as i talked about earlier victor, i think many of us are thinking that geopolitical implications of this whole thing, what does this mean for u.s. and china relations going forward and the dependence that we have on china. when it comes to the war in ukraine, that potential of course for beijing to decide to invade taiwan. predictions being made that happening in the next couple of years. what are your expectations with that? well a couple of things, of course certainly this could not have come out a more inopportune moment and u.s. china relations which are
ambassador or members perhaps have the chinese embassy. i think there is going to be a desire to move past this, there is going to be a lot of talk and a lot of rhetoric on this. that s understandable, a violation of u.s. sovereignty. but there is a lot to do with china, there is a lot on the agenda and so i think there is both sides that will quickly want to come back to the table. one thing jasmine, i think will be interesting is inside china itself, what happens? there is a very strong argument to make that the chinese intelligence services, chinese military has deeply embarrassed the chinese leadership will really actually wanted this meeting, with secretary blinken. we will have to see how this plays out inside china as, well certainly we are speaking from beijing recently, which did express some regrets. sometimes some people thought it did not go strong enough but nothing that will want to get over this or get passed this pretty quickly as well. mark, general, if you would sta
affairs in the white house national security council. victor, thank you for jumping on with us. we appreciate, it give me first a reaction to the downing of the spy balloon? i think it s entirely appropriate. they were waiting until it passed over the last continent of united states, got within territorial waters within 12 of the carolina coast. and then took it down so, but i think it s a very prudent thing to do at this point and we will collect as the other side collect what they can offer this and move on. were you surprised victor that this balloon was in fact spotted and it was over that u.s.? now, the thing that surprised me the most was you know how hand this did, and effort it was, such a critical time and the relationship. whether it s because the intel folks in the military just screwed up and was not coordinated with the leadership and the party who knows but