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Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 05:05:00

heard him donald trump s lawyer said tonight on television, what president trump said is, let s go with option b. d. let s just halt. let s just pause the voting and allow the state legislatures to take one last look and make a determination as to whether or not the elections are handled fairly. that is essentially what jack smith is accusing donald trump of having said. the indictment says that when vice president mike pence challenged john eastman on the legality of that idea in that meeting, quote, coconspirator john eastman responded, well nobody s tested it before. the vice president and told the defendant, donald trump, did you hear that? even your own counsel is not saying i have that authority. the defendant, donald trump, responded, that s okay. i prefer the other suggestion, of the vice president rejecting the electors unilaterally.

Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 05:08:00

criminal proposal in writing and admitted in writing at the time that it was a crime. page 42 of the indictment says at 11:44 pm, coconspirator to two john eastman email device presidents counsel advocating that the vice president violate the law and seek further delay of the certification. john eastman wrote, i implore you to consider one more relatively minor violation of the electoral count act and adjourn for ten days to allow the legislatures to finish their investigations. john eastman, in that email, called the crime that he was urging the vice president to commit, a relatively minor crime. a relatively minor violation of law. there he is, in writing, admitting that it s a violation of law and tonight donald trump s criminal defense lawyer said, on television that donald

Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 05:04:00

trump s criminal defense lawyer. the indictment has more about that meeting. quote, during the meeting, as reflected in the vice presidents contemporaneous notes, the defendant, donald trump, made knowingly false claims of election fraud, including, bottom, line one every state by hundreds of thousands of votes and, we won every state. the defendant, donald trump, and coconspirator john eastman then asked the vice president to either unilaterally reject the legitimate electors from the seven targeted states or send the question of which state was legitimate, which slate was legitimate, to the targeted states legislatures. in a shockingly incompetent slip, to put it mildly, on television tonight, donald trump s criminal defense lawyer actually admitted to that accusation in the indictment. donald trump s lawyer, you just

Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 05:45:00

saying. tim heaphy, the unprofessionalism of john lauro right now is just playing on itself. i think andrew s point is right. you saw on other networks today, you saw mike pence talking about the pause and how ridiculous that was. you saw mike pence s chief of staff talking about the pause and how ridiculous that was, and it seems like john lauro was watching tv and decided to make his next reply on television and replied to what he was hearing from other people on tv today? it s really hard to tell lawrence what he knows and what he s paying attention to. what actually happened was that we learn from people that were in the room when that happened, marc short and craig jacob was that john eastman sensed that mike pence was reluctant hesitant to throw the electors out and accept the fake electors, proposed this pause. the vice president was also

Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 05:23:00

but i think it s important, jake, to know that the request was for vice president to simply unilaterally dismiss the electors. the prosecution has notes from the presidents senior adviser saying, look, pence isn t going to along with that, perhaps we can pivot to this other plan. one more, this is a quick one. what mike pence said about the pause. the american people deserve to know that president trump and his advisers didn t just ask me to pause. they asked me to reject votes, return votes, essentially to overturn the election. andrew, overturn the election is the vice president s phrase for what they were asking him to do. and pause is as illegal is everything else they re asking him to do. it is wishy-washy as mike pence has been up until this point.

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