since the hearing. on that last point, that republican u.s. senator ron johnson of wisconsin offered to hand courier to the vice president on january 6th the forged certificates for fake trump electors, that was some new news today. but after that was revealed at the hearing, senator ron johnson made very clear to reporters that he does not want to talk about it to the point where he will fake being on the phone to avoid answering their questions about it. how much did you know about what your chief of staff was doing with the alternate slates of electors? no, you re not. i can see your phone. i can see your screen. is your chief of staff still work for you, senator? can you explain what happened there? why was your chief of staff even offering this to vice president
their forged certificates even if nobody wanted to let them in. more bizarrely, we learned the trump campaign had trouble gets the forged certificates in washington in time for the fake certificates to potentially be used on january 6th. nevertheless, apparently or maybe because they were having trouble with it, i don t know, apparently republican u.s. senator ron johnson of wisconsin offered that he would hand courier the fake certificates to vice president pence on january 6th itself. seriously, that was all today. the fake electors scheme was always bizarre and astonishing from the first moment we found out about it. but today, honestly, it just went bananas. some campaign lawyers became convinced that convening electors in states that trump lost was no longer appropriate. i just remember i either replied or called somebody
that s the end of story. a staff to staff contact. yeah. to be clear, it was his chief of staff asking for senator ron johnson to be allowed to have direct contact with the vice president so he could hand convey these forged documents. i had no knowledge of this. you know, i was in the airport, a guy came up to me, he handed this bag. it was ticking and had fertilizer coming out of it. i don t know who he was. he asked me to bring it on the plane. i just brought it on the plane. i don t know what s in it. staff to staff thing. i can see your phone. how bad is the fake elector s plot? it s so bad that ron johnson pretended to be on the phone. this is also pretty telling in terms of how concerned these guys are about potential complicity in criminal acts. still with me are chris hayes, joy wallace, the host of the beat, ari. when a senator pretends to be on
situation. reporter: her mother saying her life was in danger. the fbi informed me i needed to leave my home for safety. i was homeless. i felt i can t believe this person has caused this much damage to me and my family. reporter: i just caught up with senator ron johnson, the wisconsin republican, who revealed one of his aides on the morning of january 6th reached out to vice president mike pence s office and said the senator wanted to deliver those fake electors from michigan and wisconsin to the vice president on january 6th. pence s aide said do not deliver that to the vice president s office. johnson just revealed that he was aware that something had come to his office on january 6th. he told me i was aware that we got this package and that the somebody wanted us to deliver it so we reached out to vice president mike pence s office. i asked who was the person who provided these fake electors.
2020 campaign. did this catch people in trump s circle off guard? yeah it speaks to how chaotic it was in the final three weeks, leading up to the election, after the election and what happened before january 6th. a lot of people say they learned today about this video and about the access this british filmmaker got that says he s now been subpoenaed and turned over and shared hours worth of footage with the committee. that raises questions, of course, about what these officials were saying. he claims he interviewed trump several times, several members of his family, talked to staffers inside the west wing. i believe vice president mike pence was also interviewed. it raises questions about what they said. we don t know exactly what this footage includes. people will be able to compare it to what they said then when they were not testifying to what they said to the committee when they were testifying. that will be a big question. i think a lot of people have said they weren t aware o