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Telling author naomi klein. Her books on economics and Public Policy include the shock doctrine, and the recently on fire. The burning case for Green New Deal. Thank you for joining us and in the studios in new york. But tv we are in manhattan. We are running in marketing this business. Let me begin with your book no logo, when did you learn about nike. Microsoft and starbucks and branding. It is great to be with you and to have this time. So when i was writing the logo, became out at the very beginning of 2000 so it is almost exactly 20 years old. And i when i researching, four years before that, it was a period where i was changing the corporate world. You had the first kind of fullblown lifestyle brands. An idea that we all take for granted now but these were companies that for the first time, were declaring that their Business Model was not sell products but to sell ideas, lifestyle says of belonging and that they could then extend into kind of selff closed granted cocoons. The sor

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