maybe it can be reversed and you get into trouble interest being a whistle-blower? that a great point and so much has been setup this one action and not just action, there s pardons this president has issued as well. thank you both. joining me now a former u.s. army officer and iraq war veteran, the cofounder and former chairman of the vote vets advocacy group. john, i know you feel strongly about this case. i ve watched some of the things you ve said. how do you feel about what s happen said, what we learned today from that testimony and what the president s involvement here means? i think the first thing i took today from the testimony that came out of the new york times when you watch these veterans talk, you could feel the pain in their voices. and i think we could talk about a lot today, the ramifications of what this means or we could talk about the ramifications of what this means for our troops currently on the ground and in combat, and what this means for future troops w