president and the vice president. well, we have bob woodward s version of, it which is i was gonna say it s word for word what we heard today, but it s more than that. bob woodward has more words in it about that conversation, including it has mike pence and that conversation with donald trump, saying, i tried everything. i tried every way to try to get around this, and i couldn t find anything. that s the person who we heard from, greg jacob today, never wavered. from the first moment that mike pence raised this question of what happened on january 6th, his aides said mike pence believed that he had no choice to, just like al gore had no choice. and he never wavered in that. jacob said in this video, he was a steely and determined when he came out of that phone call with the president on january 6th. i wish he was steely and determined on december 6th, when he could ve said the vice
a few feet away. still got one last point to get to, made about the hearing today, about the safety of vice president mike pence, and what mike pence, apparently, thought president trump might be capable of in that moment. so, that s still to come. we will run down that from the hearing as well, sort of last portion of our recap tonight. but again, before we get to that last point, i wanna make sure we digest what we are seeing as we go. lawrence, some of this we know before, but not all. certainly, we did not know all of it. but i don t think we knew about the interactions between the president and the vice president. well, we have bob woodward s version of, in which is i was gonna say it s word, for a word what we heard today, but it s more than that. bob woodward has more words in it about that conversation, including, it has mike pence and that conversation with donald trump, saying, i tried everything. i tried every way to try to get around this, and i couldn t find anything
how he attempts albeit that we failed, thank goodness, but to undermine our democracy. let me add one thing. i know you know this. the department of justice doesn t need a criminal referral from anyone to charge a former president. they have the investigative resources. the legal talent to do that all on their own. i actually worry that the act of making a referral from congress to the department of justice can actually be counterproductive. meaning that it makes it somewhat less likely that the department of justice will charge a case because it looks like a political act or bending to political will. i d much rather the congress leave the department of justice leave it alone and permit it to make its own factual judgment. joyce, i wanted to ask you about what we were going to see and what we ll see a version of. why would the panel want to put the former campaign manager, the
which is china s version of, say, twitter or facebook and saying that it s a very chinese thing for nobody to rush in and intervene because historically, before domestic violence laws were introduced in 2016, it was very much the case that people just thought that this kind of behaviour was acceptable it was a private matter between a man and a woman. and also, there is a fear in china of people being implicated in crimes, so the idea that anybody would rush in, this does not often happen. and i remember myself, when i was living in china ten years ago, i would see incidents like this of men assaulting women on the streets and you would just see crowds of bystanders not intervening whatsoever, just stood there, watching. tests are underway after possible human remains were found by police searching for a britishjournalist and a brazilian man who disappeared six days ago in the amazon rainforest. dom phillips and bruno pereira, an expert on indigenous
erupting online on platforms like sina weibo which is china s version of, say, twitter or facebook and saying that it s a very chinese thing for nobody to rush in and intervene because historically, before domestic violence laws were introduced in 2016, it was very much the case that people just thought that this kind of behaviour was acceptable it was a private matter between a man and a woman. and also, there is a fear in china of people being implicated in crimes, so the idea that anybody would rush in, this does not often happen. and i remember myself when i was living in china ten years ago, i would see incidents like this of men assaulting women on the streets and you would just see crowds of bystanders not intervening whatsoever, just stood there, watching. kerry allen. tests are underway after possible human remains were found by police searching for a britishjournalist