A bridge across the buspar all financed with easy money most of it going to firms which are in his orbit of the orbit of his family and that has ruined ruined the economy the problem is do the turks realise that its his fault or is it succeeding in in peddling the notion that its actually the fault of the especially the americans with the sanctions and the west and so on who are anti turkish and so on so thats something we need to counter. Well as all of us just mentioned president has accused the United States of launching a what he has called an attempt to economic two against turkey lets get a feel for what the president himself and some of his turkish compatriots have been say. So there is no difference between the attacks on our economy and the attacks on our religion and our nation the goal is the same and that is to bring turkey and its people to their knees and hold them hostage looked. Up some muslim let the
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German parliamentarians to visit german soldiers and so we had to change that and pull our troops out so theres a lot of things where one is unreliable and now he needs our help and that is a moment where we should have very Firm Conditions under which we will give him financial it own posner president had wanted to play. Oh yeah definitely i mean. He started out as an economic reform. Important point and the west especially europe welcomed that and the idea was that turkey with this is a mild brand of islam is and could go Beyond Kemalist Nationalism and the. Kurds and turks and other minorities can find Common Ground in in being turkish and islamic and at the same time having this economic reform but. For whatever reason he abandoned that course he has abandoned the course of reconciliation of the kurds
hes also abandoned economic reform in favor of easy money looks good can build a huge president ial palace in a symbol can build a bridge across the bosphorus all financed with easy m
turkey eventually withdraw from nato how serious is that for i don t think that the threat is really big of course there s a certain risk and we don t want to push them in that direction but if turkey has its census together they wouldn t leave nato because of their own rational national interest and so the question is now how do we balance turkish interests and our interests and i m rather i m not for soft conditions i m also not somebody is saying just we don t have to we can turn a blind eye on it doesn t matter of us or of course it matters but we should be aware of our own influence and how important we are for them and i for other the feeling that we are much more important to alto on and the well being of turkey than turkey is dependent and then we depend on talkies well being of course we depend on it but we have the better karts and that should be the condition for
a deal as cheap as possible and our interest is to get a deal which is not cheap but which meets most of our conditions so there is this and he s using and highway talking like mr trump is on that deals in time time is not understand out of sight and that is our possibility our options now to influence and speed in office since two thousand and three doesn t look as though it s going to be walking away from the presidency anytime soon. yeah but he has changed a lot i mean at the beginning when when i do our first came to power we had still very much the thinking of a military regimes we had in turkey before and he was that at times european union and that was our common interest to liberalize talk a society because it was his way to get also more religious freedom which was a no go under the military rulers before at that time we had to come an interest and now his interest has changed now he himself is you dominating factor he himself
a softly softly approach and lots further sanctions on turkey as i understand it. yes firstly the softly softly of approach seems to of work for instance with my colleague dennis eugen who was imprisoned on trumped up charges no pun intended accused of spying simply for doing his job and there are hundreds of others still in prison who don t have a german parliament passport as dennis did and and and. you know i mean it s horrible but i still think. that we have to somehow at the same time is helping them economic help in turkey economically which important country mustn t break down and there s another reason for this when a country goes into economic downturns fire like in venezuela revolution doesn t happen that s when people are so busy scrambling for bread in a time to think about politics and changing regime it s when people of more or less