Youre the you are the 2 of the key officials with responsibility for ukrainian policy. I mean if the president of states is going to have a call with the leader of ukraine why what why wouldnt you ordinarily be involved with preparation sir we work for the department of state in an embassy overseas and in preparation for a president ial phone call that responsibility lies with and staff of the National Security council normally if there is enough sufficient time National Security staff can solicit information usually from the state department we can draw in the embassy but thats only Background Information and my understanding having never worked at the National Security council is that National Security staff write a memo to the president and none of us see that outside of the National Security staff ok so the the the charge a or the the u. S. Ambassador to the country wouldnt ordinarily be on a call with a foreign leader. Thats correct would not. And did colonel the men or anyone of