and he was aware of the proper procedures for handling classified documents. the evidence, his own words. the federal indictment lists five specific public comments trump made about this subject, and here they are. in my administration i m going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. [ cheers ] no one will be above the law. we can t have someone in the oval office who doesn t understand the meaning of the word confidential or classified. one of the first things we must do is to enforce all classification rules and to enforce all laws relating to the handling of classified information. we also need the best protection of classified information. service members here in north carolina have risked their lives to acquire classified intelligence to protect our country. cnn s evan perez joins me. what stood out to you the most in this detailed indictment? reporter: one of the things that i think we should focus on is, you know, something that
this is absolutely outrageous, and what is most frustrating to me is that this is someone who is spitting in the face of the thousands of men and women who put themselves in harm s way every single day, who s away from their families every single day, in order to protect our country, and he s just spitting in their face. to me, that s despicable. valerie, you know better than almost anyone how sensitive u.s. classified material can be. you and i have talked about your fears about what might have happened to people that you talk to in the field after the bush white house revealed your identity. how few people would even have access to stuff that deals with nuclear secrets do you think? very few. i agree wholeheartedly with will because what s at stake here is nothing less than the lives of americans and u.s. national security. trump has acted in an utterly reckless and cavalier fashion
so we wouldn t be having these conversations if donald trump wasn t being a jerk and would have just given the documents back when he was asked, similar to what mike pence did, right. so we wouldn t be here if that was the case. former congressman will heard, republican of texas, valerie plane, thank you for being here. thank you to both of you for serving in our clandestine services. we appreciate it. this is now the second indictment against donald trump. the first, of course, was in new york. then this new federal indictment. how much impact is it having on the 2024 presidential campaign? how are trump rivals trying to use this to their advantage? i m going to talk to one of those rivals next. vania. financial well-being to me is knowing that i can be free e to do the thins that i love to do. i hope when i retire somedayay, they say, that guy made this place a special place to come to school and gave as much as he could to help the community.
do that, from his golf club in new jersey. he is still expected to go to north carolina and georgia tomorrow for his already planned campaign stops. jake? all right. thank you so much. good to see you. joining us to discuss classified information, former republican congressman will heard who served as a former undercover cia officer and also with us valerie plain who was an undercover cia officer whose identity was infamously revealed by the bush white house. thanks to both of you for being here. valerie, let me start with you. we know more about what information the classified documents contained and very specifically jack smith writes that the unauthorized disclosure of these classified documents could put at risk the national security of the united states, foreign relations, the safety of the united states military, and human sources, and the continued viability of sensitive intelligence collection methods. that s a direct quote.
i remember coming into the room and joe hanging up the phone and saying chris matthews just said the white house called you fair game, so our family is devastated. and we ve lost not just, you know, from a personal side from a true american hero. thanks for coming on this time and especially because of the news now, and the news is about a whistleblower who this president seems to try to d dimuinize and what s it like to be part of that targeting? i know exactly what that feels like. i compare it to falling down alice s rabbit hole where white is black and black is white. the same thing happened to us. the bush white house tried to demonize us and make it about valerie plain and joe wilson and why there s no wmd in iraq.