lives, and all of us assuming enormous amounts of risk engaging in this or in ukraine. let me ask you this, though, to press you a little bit, just last year, then white house press secretary jen saki was asked about possible use of cluster bombs against ukraine and here is what she had to say in response to that question. there are reports of illegal cluster bombs and vacuum bombs being used. if that is true, what is the next step of this administration, and is there a redline for how much violence will be tolerated against civilians in this manner, which is illegal, and potentially a war crime? it would be. i don t have confirmation of that. we have seen the reports. if that were true it would potentially be a war crime. what do you think of that, colonel? she seemed to say that if it could be confirmed, that russia s use of those kinds of munitions might constitute a war crime.
russia s use of them. and she had an interesting answer. let s play it and touch after. there are reports of illegal cluster bombs and vacuum bombs used by the russians. if that s true, what is the next step of this administration and is there a red line for how much violence will be tolerated against civilians in this manner that s illegal and potentially a war crime? it is it would be. i don t have any confirmation of that. we have seen the reports. if that were true, it would potentially be a war crime. jacqui: potentially be a war crime, has something changed. she s wrong. we have never signed up to the treaty for dual purpose munitions, cluster bombs or cluster munitions, we have used them ourselves, we used them in the first gulf war. should have been given to them a long time ago. i want to look at the administration and say if you wage war you wage war. if you don t, turn it to
just last year. we have seen videos of russian forces moving exceptionally lethal weaponry into ukraine, which has no place on the battlefield. that includes cluster munitions , and vacuum bombs, which are banned under the geneva convention. now, those are notable comments, but i have to say. it is worthy of pointing out that we have not seen widespread criticism of the biden administration for going ahead with this decision at this moment, with most alleys really backing any decisions that could help ukraine in this counteroffensive that they are currently engaged in. all right, kylie atwood for us, thank you so much. let s bring in philip love, he s the former nato commander for europe. you heard president biden defending his choice to send these controversial munitions to ukraine.
so many of these democrat leaders at the city level or state and federal levels that put their self-serving interest of the democratic party had of the court, fundamental, what should be the purpose, to serve the well-being of the american people. pete: we think of the interpreter and his family and kids. so many like him who put their lives on the line for us, and we have failed them again. you mention foreign interventions and i want to get your take on what is happening now and your client. the biden administration has announced that they are sending cluster bombs to ukraine, the move is highly controversial. biden s own at the white house said that using these kind of bombs would be a war crime. there are reports of illegal cluster bombs and vacuum bombs being used by the russians. if that is true then what is the next step of this administration and if there is a redline about how much violence would be tolerated against civilians in this manner that is illegal and
wide area. they can cause massive indiscriminate damage and bomblets that don t explode on the ground pose a significant risk to civilians, especially children. the pentagon says ukraine is running low on artillery shells and needs the munitions to help the counteroffensive, which is aimed at uprooting russian forces dug down in sprawling trenches. we recognize the cluster munitions create a risk of civilian harm, but there is also a massive risk of civilian harm if russian troops and tanks roll over ukrainian positions and take more ukrainian territory and subjugate more ukrainian civilians because ukraine does not have enough artillery. that is intolerable to us. reporter: the u.s. has previously condemned cluster munitions used by russia, here just 6 days into the war. we ve seen videos of russian forces moving exceptionally lethal weaponry into ukraine. that includes cluster munitions and vacuum bombs, which are