eminem called himself the worst thing since elvis. the history comes to mind for me here. so you just did something like on the tv that was representative of this thing that we re talking about. you used the n word in it s full n-i-g-g-e-r word. i have no idea whether or not we re allowed to do that. but i i jumped back a little bit in part because i do think about this question of the ways in which we self sensor or sensor around, right? and so, like, you re doing that in part as adds the shock vol to demonstrate what it s like to hear that. and i m responding to it like, whoa, now i m having feelings having hard that word on a saturday morning. that s what i m wondering about what it is we think the problem is. is the problem is the word exists and can deployed into the world by the clan, or is the problem that hip-hop somehow makes the word acceptable to
is harder to take in some ways and in some ways that tamir rice, the most horrifying is that these 12 years old and unarmed. also to know the the doj was in there, was investigating. we all keep thinking maybe this is our solution to this problem. well, i think the the doj report is this. we have a window in time where everyone is now watching. and i mean, i can t tell you how happy i am that you re doing a segment on this. that means the nation is watching. this is an opportunity that we have to exploit to the fullest. it has been an ongoing problem. clearly the police did not anticipate this report coming out in the way it did. why would they continue in this conduct. when you look at that video. it is haunting. he had two seconds. they zoom up within feet of him and he is on the ground. and when you watch it, thank god for the video. it countered the description given initially by police.
and so i think that it was an important signal to the community that we take very seriously. both the desires to protect the rights of officers to be heard. there has to be due process, but we will protect the public and the public trust at the same time. so let me ask this. so, this officer who is again, not been indicted but there s at least several cases here. he said in his own statement abecame a police officer to help them and help those who can t protect themselves. this is what he s saying about what he want a police officer. i m left with the question when i look at these acts of overaggression, is the problem that we recruit people who are likely to behave in this way? is the problem that we train people in ways that allow this? or is it that over time there is kind of a residual process of coming to dislike the very communities? i m sure you don t become a police officer to arrest people
it s a phrase that should never be said. it should be self evident. but our history, sadly, requires us to say that black lives matter. as i said the other day, we re not dealing with a problem in 2014. and we re not dealing with years of racism dealing with it or decades. that is how profound the crisis is. with me now. a former new york city police officer now with john jay coverage. and also a former new york city police officer. and maya wylie, counsel to mayor bill de blasio. you were a regular many times on the show before being in this role in the de blasio administration. clearly this mayor is responding very differently than we saw with governor nixon or the ferguson officials, but let me ask, is it enough to talk about retraining police officers? first let me say that i think
for selling loose cigarettes. that s a leadership issue and goes beyond the city. the police are being over assertive. it s a conversation way too heavily weighed in at the bottom. not the top. it s an interesting point. he s incentivized. we can talk about all of it. leadership, administration and training failures from the very top of the organization. so even as we so this is an interesting to me. as we start thinking about so where the uz the problem rest, it may be easiest to go to the one bad al apple. if there are incentives so here is mayor de blasio saying things need to change. and the the police union immediately says you threw us under the bus. we were reporting many minneapolis about a mayor trying to make changes. her police union coming after her. and i m thinking, so who has the credibility to make change from the top? well, i agree with eugene. i think we have to examine the