that they were willing to be activist good it, to be coherent and to speak with conviction and say no, no, no, it s deregulation that we need. i know, i know, i know, it s just trust me, it s deregulation. and by being so vehement and internally coherent about it it just seemed like it was basic and made sense and so people latched on to it. is it almost like a psychological argument that you re making that we need to hear simple truths? well, it is in some ways. but i wasn t going to go there just yet because it s more than that. it s a kind of utopianism. it s what they decided, and they decided this very on, with the very beginnings of the right-wing revival, is that the main, you know, problem you and i can sit here and say, we ve been engaged in conservative politics in this country for 30, you know, maybe 40 years, and whether the same is true in basically every other western country, privatizing, deregulating, deunionizing, outsourcing, all of this sort of thing, but their