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that look you re cutting too much when you re not. we haven t cut spending. se quest will be the first time if it happens we cut spending. all we re trying to do is freeze and slow future growth. here s the problem. high-ranking military guy told a friend of mine, tell frank he s right. you talked about 47 we would still have the triad to defeat the soviet union in the thermal nuclear war. we build up for a military threat and once that threat has diminished or maybe been defeated it doesn t go away. it s like a geological thing, layers and layers of very expensive ways to meet a threat that made sense at one time and you never cut them out as you just add them. congressman barney frank, congressman mick mulvaney, thank you very much. thank you, guys. still ahead. good luck and congratulations. thank you. dick durbin the looming fiscal cliff and his party s plan for the expiring tax cuts. keep it here on morning joe.

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