fear to try to get us to give up our liberty. this was the whole thing that benjamin franklin debated. whether or not we should trade our liberty for security and sometimes get neither. they say we re safer because of this bulk collection of data but it urns out everybody that has objected that looked at it, said no episode of terrorism has been prevented. no case has been cracked and many even in the intelligence committee admit it is very expensive and hasn t provided useful information. bill: we heard that argument. you expressed that as well. so have others. do you take the statement you just said when you say i think some secretly want there to be attack on united states so they can blame you? sometimes going after people s motives and impupilling people s motives in mistake. in the heat of battle sometimes hyperbole can get bert of all of us. i think general idea people use fear and they do use fear. they act as if we can t collect any records. they were using fear with the bos