up but not at the rate they were going up. jesse: less than lower premiums? dana: and less doctors are taking those patients. onon some of the obamacare plans not my own personal story but somebody that i know. they are independent business owners, that buy on the obamacare market. they have a pre-existing condition. they have a back condition. there s not a doctor on the island of manhattan who will see him. they had to take a day off of work, go to the bronx. triple the money. the deductibles aren t there. it s not like it s working perfectly. even hillary clinton said i ll have to figure out how to fix this if i am elected. juan: that s what i m trying to say. why can t they work on this together instead of this last minute rush to give a political victory when real life, real people kimberly: oh, juan jesse: puerto rico is now
it s our chance. it s sort of like come on, the clock is running out. it s the chance for the g.o.p. to deliver what has been promised to the american people. you can not criticize president obama and obamacare and say that you can do it better and then fail at thisis measure over and over again. this is their last effort. i think the expectation is a little bit low. perhaps they will exceed it. jesse: juan, if obamacare was working, republicans wouldn t have to repeal and treplace it at all. would they?nk kimberly: he thinks it is working. juan: i think it is working. here s why republicans have to repeal and replace. more people have in fact, insurance companies are the ones who have the give up these bumpers and all that to keep it working. a minute ago you said it was jesse: people are getting free money. juan: there are more americans insured. they were guaranteed against things like pre-existing conditions.
jesse: let s begin with rand paul, kimberly. i don t think there s anything you can do besides fully uproot obamacare from the ground to please the senator from kentucky. f kimberly: that s the thing. he holds his ground on principal. he is being consistent. every time i will offer an internal narrative. this is insufficient. if you like someone who stands on his principal, okay. but if you want a team player [laughs] dana: he voted for it two weeks ago. kimberly: today he saying he has no bid for it. i m not sure he s going to go forward at all but the presidenc in one of his most charming waye to call someone jesse: he s my friend, but. kimberly: he said nothing is going to please him. he s been tough on this. we really should do this.
jesse: why are they leaving the exchanges? kennedy: no, they are completely leaving. juan: do you know why? because there s uncertainty by republicans including president trump. jesse: they were leaving before trump j was elected. kennedy: the system created the uncertainty. it s incredibly cruel to say obamacare is working. if your premiums have gone up 116% like in parts of arizona,ac saying that it s working is not working. forcing you to pay for insurance you don t need, that s not working. there are young people in the country young and healthy people who only want catastrophic insurance. they can t get that under obamacare so they would rather pull out of the system entirely and that causes a great destabilization. pay the penalty and just go uninsured. juan: they have to pay a penalty. that s part of the equation. you see more people with insurance, consumer protection for people that have pre-existing conditions. you see medicaid expanding.
obamacare is unwinding and there s nobody for repeal more than i but i can t vote for something that s not really repeal. jesse: president trump calls the bill great and says rand is a friend but it s a negative force when it comes to fixing health care. here s more familiar from the president.he i think there s tremendous support. it s much better than the previous shot, which was very sadly i think a lot of republicans are embarrassed by it. they do a great job if this happens, it will be a great thing. jesse: former president obama sounded off on the new attempt to overhaul his signature legislation. when i see people trying to undo the hard work progress for the 50th or 60th time, it is aggravating. it certainly frustrating to have to mobilize every couple of months to keep our leaders from inflicting real human suffering on our constituents.