of justice and he is the president of the united states as we saw in that clip from cnn. what he says and when he uses his words, they matter. howie: we can all agree he s not you or me or anybody else. the paul manafort trial is taking place across the river. it s about alleged bank fraud and tax evasion and pretty much has nothing to do with donald trump or the campaign. mollie: everyone is interested in this trial as part of the collusion theory with russia. but the prosecutors say they are not bringing up collusion. we are not seeing anyone actually asking the difficult questions with the mueller probe. they seem to trust it implicitly.
united states. three, it s a crime to steal things, whether you steal objects like everything that was ripped off in watergate, or you steal e-mail, which is what is at issue in mueller s latest indictment. and finally, four, it s a crime to engage in a conspiracy of any of those other crimes. so collusion is not only a crime, collusion involves at least four crimes. those are the legal facts. now, in fairness, we will note here as we have many times on this program, no american has been charged with any of those crimes. in fact, bob mueller may never charge any americans. so that could be a good thing if you are rooting for this white house to escape any collusion culpability. but these are crimes. they do exist. and that s what makes it so odd to watch the trump team s evolving defense. collusion is not a crime. and so the fact of the matter is
did it, but relevant in the sense he s the lawyer for the president talking about a potential meeting that might add culpability. take a look. there was another meeting that had been leaked, but hasn t been public yet. there was an alleged meeting three days before. according to cohen, or according to the leak, he says there was a meeting with donald jr., with jared kushner, with paul manafort, with gates, and possibly two others, in which they, out of the presence of the president, discussed the meeting with the russians. we checked with their lawyers, the ones we could check with, which was four of the six. that meeting never, ever took place. it didn t happen. is this important in any way, and does your investigation look at whether there were such meetings that could suggest greater culpability about this potential collusion and
that we re a long way away yet from having anything to talk about here. collusion is not a crime. only in anti-trust law. you can collude all you want with a foreign government in an election. there s no such statue. but what crime? right. can anybody identify the crime? there s no evidence of colluding with the russians. it s not a crime. collusion is not a crime. there s not any evidence of any collusion here involving our client that drum beat, of course, escalated this week with rudy giuliani s interviews and a presidential tweet today. they never used it. is the main thing. they never used it. they rejected it. if there was collusion with the russians, they would have used it. i ve been sitting here looking at federal code trying to find collusion as a crime. i don t know if that s a crime, colluding about russians. i m bringing in john flannery and seth waxman. back with me as well. john, take it away. well, these guys sure shouldn t be teaching first year
defense strategy. well, that s the weird part. rudy ju rudy giuliani is insisting this dinner never took place, but everyone had sushi. congressman adam schiff, thanks for being here. thanks, ari. up ahead, i break down the central government on trump s idea that collusion is not a crime. that s wrong. it is. i ll explain in 30 seconds. edge of the box, willingham shoots. goooooooaaaaaaaallllllll! that.was.magic. willingham tucks it in and puts the championship to bed. sweet dreams, nighty night. as long as soccer players celebrate with a slide, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. pressure, what pressure? the players on the. the other top story tonight, after all the guilty pleas and