reports that he called for special counsel robert mueller to be fired last june. reports confirmed by multiple news outlets initiated by the new york times with several sources. but he backed off according to the reports after white house counsel don mcgahn threatened to resign over it. this is the latest bombshell in an arsenal of bombshells that could influence mueller s investigation. so here is a few examples. few other examples of what the president has done or tried to do over the last ten months. he urged his intel chiefs to publicly push back against the fbi s russia collusion probe. he ordered mcgahn to stop attorney general jeff sessions from recusing himself in the investigation. you ll recall he fired the fbi director james comey after asking him for loyalty, he tried to fire mueller, we have now learned, and he urged sessions to get the deputy fbi director andrew mccabe fired. joining me now, we have robert mueller s former special
i don t know. there have been so many stories on this particular quote/unquote russia investigation, i don t know what to believe anymore. we ll see. will this story in particular has sources, cnn confirmed it, fox news confirmed it, does that give you some confidence it may be true? well, perhaps. i mean, i m inclined to believe those sources, but by the same token, a number of corrections brought forth by member of the mainstream media on the russian story already, every network, every newspaper had to issue corrections and we can go through them. i don t think it is necessary. any correction on any story to you makes you doubt the totality of everything and all of the storys? no, i just think that there is a zelalousness out there people want to be the first to get a story out or drive the nail home and they don t use sometimes good journalism to get
communications adviser for the trump campaign. jason, you know donald trump very well. he had already fired comey in may. not only did that not go well just in the court of public opinion, but it ended up bringing us to the to mueller, to the special counsel. it was a bit of out of the frying pan and into the fire. why would he want to fire mueller in june, especially considering it wouldn t have ended the investigation? well, i think there are a couple of things with the story i would take issue with. i don t think we necessarily know he want fod fire mueller. he is saying that s not the case. he s taken issue with the reporting. but, again, here is you re saying the report may not be accurate. even though there is sources stunned by hold on. cnn confirmed it. fox news confirmed it. four people said they were briefed on this supposed conversation. does not say there were four people in the room. that s who you re going with
years into this investigation and there is still nothing. seems like it could be taking a turn towards obstruction. for what? that s the whole thing. there hasn t been getting in way of the investigation. but he hasn t done anything to get in the way. he didn t go and fire mueller. perfectly within his presidential power to fire comey. chris? jason is right. donald trump can fire comey. he can fire bob mueller. it is not illegal for him to do either of those things. i think i think the comey firing politically speaking was a gigantic mistake because i think it opened up the conversation about obstruction of justice. i think the consideration of the mueller firing a month later is more fuel to that. but he has the right to do these things, the question for me is why do we keep on a lot of different fronts as it relates to the russia story, getting versions of events later on that
assistant at the justice department michael zeldin and we have retired fbi supervisory special agent james galliano. michael, when you add president trump trying to fire mueller to everything else that we already know, what does this do if mueller s team is pursuing an obstruction of justice case? so it gives you a bit of a window into the president s thinking. because in order to prove obstruction of justice, you have to prove the president did what he did with the intent to obstruct. and it is hard to define the intent of a person unless you can read into their soul somehow. this is a sense allowance for mueller to get a sense of what it was the president is thinking. it is important to note if we look at that timeline, those things that he did pushing out against the investigation, having his chiefs push against the media, occurred before this june meeting. so one thing we have to look at is after he was warned by mcgahn, you can t do this. did he still do obstructionist