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professor allison frank jones. thank you for speaking to us. and obviously, thinking about the harvard campus today. must be a difficult place to be right now. let s bring in the former president of brandeis university, who talked a lot about this i don t know scandal is the right word, but controversy. do you think the resignation was inevitable, and was it because of the testimony or the plagiarism allegations? was a plagiarism. the testimony is honestly something we talked about the or that got a lot of attention, but my own view is, if it were only that, she would ve been able to ride this out. the answer she gave was not a good answer, and we talked about that as well, but i wouldn t have cost her her job. the plagiarism allegation is what really stuck, because it didn t go away and there was this sense of continuing investigations of back. i think i made it inevitable. it certainly kept harvard in the headlines for the wrong reasons, which is not anything any university wan

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