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utilities, but you re not paying for them. basically that is all. they don t have to pay union dues, they do have to pay a service charge, and they cannot be a member ever the union if necessity choose not to. bill: i know you make the case that this is not about economics, it s all about politics, and that is kind of what the president said the other day. it s exactly true. bill: if you don t get those union dues it s about union economics, because the union is weaker then, is it not? the underlying thing is it is an effort to destroy unions in michigan. there is no doubt about it. the outside interest and people in michigan are sick and tired of billionaires coming into michigan spending millions of dollars trying to influence public policy. the coch brothers, dig devass from the grand rapids area are behind the effort to destroy unions in the state. it s going to drive the economics completely down in the state where working people in this state are harmed.