and so now that he has reemerged a little more, it s not totally surprising that when people are digging into what exactly happened in the dark corners of the 2016 election, and maybe if there was collusion with russian agents, via wikileaks, roger stone is a clear player in that because this is the art he practices, and he has been practicing it for many, many decades. joyce, this brings me back to you. like you, a former fed said to a colleague of ours today you people have to stop talking about the iceberg theory, that only a small tip of the mueller investigation is visible at any one time. he said think about an underground collie, like an ant colo colony. it s much more vast. it goes on forever. so when we read a report there s mueller interest in an e-mail of roger stone s, do you think we re running three months behind reality or six months behind reality? is there any guessing? more like a couple years with roger stone. who as sam says has been around forever.