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you said in california history which is to supplant a sitting governor in a recall. he referred to them as clowns and also it was the day after a debate they had where like there was no media coverage because there wasn t a lot of interest. again, things have changed but i think it is showing what went on on 2003 which is why i will tell you i had such a blast wokking on this because it was the ultimate circus back then. and it was aided and abetted bity fact that there was a mega movie star, the guy you just heard on the the ballot. he talks about the clowns, why your podcast is so perfectly titled. total recall, also one of my favorite movies. the original, not the new. and california political circus. catch the podcast anywhere you get your podcasts. good to see you. congratulations on that. thank you so much, kate. up next for us, the fbi said it needs your help to find this man who planted pipe bombs near