narrative, you know, involving rudy giuliani, is that correct? that is correct. and had you heard, like a firsthand account from anyone on the inside, or had you just been following news accounts? so i certainly was following news accounts, and that s from the ukrainian side, ukrainian press, and u.s. press. okay. and and my colleagues in the inner agency also were concerned about this as this had started in the march time frame kind of emanating from the john solomon story all the way through, so there had been ongoing conversations. so several different sources, counselor. and so when ambassador sondland mentioned the investigations, you sort of had a little bit of a clue of what the issue was? oh, definitely. okay. and then you took the photo, a very nice photo, and then you went to the ward room? correct. and do you remember i think you conceded to us that you had a hard time remembering
ukraine s efforts to achieve justice. it s important to avoid retribution. the president is not to be found. there these reports that he s hiding out in the area of ukraine. you heard those reports. the ukrainian press has been full of speculation at this point, but the last place we re certain that he was in was when we were told he was on his way to north eastern ukraine. the truth is that we don t know where he is. at this point the speaker is acting in the role of president. we heard from our phil black, our correspondent that some of the supporters of the ousted regime have been calling the protesters nazis and referring to neonazi elements. how prevalent are they? these ultra nationalists in