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more credible. the thing i found interesting in the wall stre wall street jo story, you get this sense that giuliani was trying to make money for himself but in doing that he has a real cash issue. he seems to have a financial issue, giuliani. yes, absolutely. if you look at what his associates were doing in these meetings to get this pole into ukrainian pipeline built, they were raising biden in 2016 in the same meetings. it s all kind of muksed and yix wonder what the motivation and whether the motivation was aware of what giuliani was trying to do. i would say we have no indication that this really all originates with rudy giuliani when it comes to crowdstrike and all those issues. it seems like there are many possible sources but we may have well been raised in direct conversations with vladimir putin for all we know. but it s not entirely clear this gets at i think the

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