they ve always wanted to take back as much as ukraine as possible. it s a key part of greater russia. what we also know before the 2016 election is that two men, who is ukrainian parliamentarian who is the go between michael cohen and russian investors on the trump moscow talks approached with a peace plan where they had specific details. that s the way piece communists do it. i spoke earlier today with a person who had direct knowledge of that plan who said one of the things that was important piece of it was limited nato s access to ukraine. making it so the west had less of a military footprint where the world was trying to expand. to your point about the difficulty in charges these cases s cases, it s possible this theory may never manifest in an
seriousness. that s why it s so important that a man who gave millions of dollars to a manafort-linked company, a company that manafort controlled koorgs to the indictment, is someone who was a figure of such acute concern to the police in austria. to walk through this again, it s a little complicated, but it s not a lot of chess moves to get you from one to the other, right? exactly. there s a guy names ivan fursip, ukrainian parliamentarian. and we have reporting in 2012, he s putting millions of dollars into this entity, lusical, and after he puts it in, millions of dollars flow out as spent by p. manafort, who has control. so the money is flowing in a fairly clear way. it s flowing from fursin into the thing, into the company manafort controls, into the big expenditures that are recorded in the charging document. the guy at the other end of that, fursin, is, according to as austrian police, a sergeant in the mob army of one of the most notorious russian gangsters
because it comes right up to their doorstep. so that means that this assessment, this understanding from the austrian police, is something that we should take with the greatest degree of seriousness. that s why it s so important that a man who gave millions of dollars to a manafort-linked company, a company that manafort controlled koorgs to the indictment, is someone who was a figure of such acute concern to the police in austria. to walk through this again, it s a little complicated, but it s not a lot of chess moves to get you from one to the other, right? exactly. there s a guy names ivan fursip, ukrainian parliamentarian. and we have reporting in 2012, he s putting millions of dollars into this entity, lusical, and after he puts it in, millions of dollars flow out as spent by p. manafort, who has control. so the money is flowing in a fairly clear way. it s flowing from fursin into the thing, into the company manafort controls, into the big expenditures that are recorded in t
how did according to your reporting, roselyn and the white house is basically saying there s no paper on this, that they have a record of the national security council, it s fake news, et cetera. what does your reporting suggest about how the heck this even started to come together? it s a little bit of a mystery. felix sater says he s an acquaintance of this ukrainian lawmaker and he brought the plan to michael cohen. i spoke with michael cohen just today who described a phone call from his old friend felix who had he known from the trump organization and said complete me for coffee and there was this ukrainian parliamentarian and his peace plan. right. and so this peace plan, which the ukrainian parliamentary says has the tassett or explicit
ukrainian parliamentarian and his peace plan. right. and so this peace plan, which the ukrainian parliamentary says has the tasset or explicit to stop russian-backed forces within ukraine s bders using military force and a low level of separatist agitation, right? right. it would call for an end to russian hostilities and also have a referendum on the future of crimea, which is the portion that russia seized in 2014. apparently the referendum would offer two choices. one would lease crimea to russia for 50 years and the other would lease crimea to russia for 100 years. in either instance, they would get crimea, which is a top priority of the russians. wait a second. wait a second. the peace deal, one of the