yovanovitch was let go. but that was on tv. you got someone on tv and then someone else under oath. right. and my vote goes with the person under oath because they have to take things a lot more seriously. but that adds to the incentive for witnesses as crucial as pompeo to really want to avoid having a sit down in that chair. we ll get a vision on two more witnesses today as those public transcripts are released. fascinating reads. shan wu, thanks very much. sure thing. we have a lot ahead this hour. right now voters hitting the polls in key races across the country. today is a major test for them and for the president. voter enthusiasm. could the democrats prevail in some of these races? we ll break it down and what it means for the nation. also the trial for trump ally and adviser roger stone begins in just a few minutes. stone is charged with lying to congress and attempted obstruction. we could learn some interesting new details about the trump campaign from this case.
ukraine yovanovitch. they said revelations made by videoi yovanovitch about her ukraine matters were accurate and led trump to lose confident in her. you were aware that there were individuals and forces outside of the state department seeking to smear ambassador yovanovitch, is that correct? i was. and seeking to remove her, right? i was. did you know mr. giuliani was one of those people? i believed he was, yes. in a tweeted response, giuliani dismissed sullivan s account as false speculation calling it an orchestrated attempt to harass and hinder him in his role as president trump s attorney. joining us now, senior white house correspondent for time magazine, brian bennett. he s here with this week s cover story, the secretary of offense, the lead story entitled rudy cashes in. what his quest for money and power has cost trump. good to see you.
lately and i think her testimony about that scenario was just amazing, but what has been even more amazing is now that we have seen other people from formally positions. even sondland, who now, all talk about what a great ambassador maria yovanovitch was. it is nice to have them come forward and say she was a career diplomat, and she it did not allow her to keep her job, she was still pulled at a time extremely important to us and by whom? by whom. yeah what in diplomatic circles, i know you re still sta talking to people, what is your
leadership or support in the secretary of state. i know ambassador yovanovitch. while i was ambassador to denmark, she served, at least in the last part of my tenure, as the assistant secretary for european affairs. she was one of the primary people that i worked with and i always found her to be intelligent, diligent, responsive, straight forward, pa and absolutely dedicated. also i was in ukraine doing election monitoring. and she was still our ambassador at the time. we met with her prior to the voter and she was just as good of an ambassador as i had known her to be. and then i come back and a few weeks later i find out she has been yanked from her post and i don t know any way to say that
other than yanked. told to get on the next plane. that is yanked. i was astounded. so now i see how potentially dangerous is that, particularly during the, you know, the shift of power, the change of power knowing that the u.s. and other than western countries were concerned about what was going on with a previous administration, that you would have a removal of a u.s. ambassador at that critical juncture. that was particularly what dismayed me. not only that she was such a well respected 30 plus year diplomat that served, you know, under two other preponderates. and three other posts, but that she was pulled at a time of a brand new president, no political experience, russia breathing down his neck already in is not good for the united states. why would pull our ambassador. we learned a lot about that