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documents belong to the government of the united states. and there s no, even trump s lawyers did not actually make the specific claim that these documents were somehow magically declassified by the brainwaves of donald trump. as your colleagues found, jamie gangel and others, 18 trump administration officials laughed at the proposition that these documents were declassified. and it doesn t even matter whether these documents were declassified, because the charges at issue here do not deal with classification. they deal with national security interests. this opinion is absolutely atrocious and i have to say, and i ve never said this publicly about a federal judge in my life, you have to wonder whether this judge belongs on a federal bench. so, john, george has made his opinion quite clear here. and he quoted bill barr. neither of them sit on the 11th circuit. so, the question to you, do you think that the department of justice will or should appeal, and do you think that they have a
documents. tell us by today what your decision is and if you are not going to agree to this, not going to greet to let the criminal investigation go forward, then we are going to appeal. so, they are sort of showing their guards in that sense. we have not actually seen the justice department s appeal, but they did give a pretty indication before this decision from the judge that that is what the path is going to be. all right, sara murray, thank you very much. and thank you during the entire break explaining to me the language in this ruling from the judge that i was confused by. i very much appreciated. thanks, john. perspective now from conservative lawyer, george conway, a columnist at the washington post. and john, you, former u.s. deputies during the george w. bush administration, now and law school professor at the university of california at berkeley. george, i just want to start with you. how much of a setback is this for the justice department? i don t know that it s
of justice department already said, we are content to not use the other thousands of pages that are not classified, and we will agree to the district judge s order that we will not use those at all in any criminal investigation. so george, on another note, the former president was on hugh hewitt s radio show today. and i want to play a portion of what he said when asked, what would happen if he was indicted? and if it would deter him from running for president again. listen to this. i think if it happens, i think you would have problems in this country the likes of which perhaps we ve never seen before. i don t think the people of the united states would stand for it. what kind of problems, mister president? i think there would be big problems, big problems. i just don t think they would stand for it. what do you hear there, george? do you hear that as a threat? yes, absolutely. i mean, he s basically saying, what a nice country you have here. too bad if something were to h
harris, had made the statement she thought the border was secure. is that something you agree with? it is hard to tell. i don t think it is secure and i think it is important to secure the border. listen, i m the grandson of immigrants from greece and from lebanon. i understand what legal immigration is and what it s supposed to be. we are supposed to be the shining city on the hill. the place where people can come from all over the globe to have safety, to make sure that you can have a better living for your family, enjoy the capitalism, the compassionate capitalism, that is america. that s what we are supposed to stand for. ronald reagan used to call us the shining city on the hill. well, apparently our governor, desantis, does not believe in that concept. and it is very disappointing, and it is heartbreaking. and it is cruel. charlie chris, we do appreciate being with us and i appreciate you. thank you, john. and still to come tonight, we do have breaking news from the justi