we may be at a point where all of these investigations into trump are finally coming to head joining us now are danya perry former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, and barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan donna and barbara, thanks fo being with me this evening and i ll start with yo donna, in terms of what seem to be unusual to me at least and on its face. is this notion that the person that is under investigation ha his affiliates, paying for the council of other people who ma be important witnesses in that very same investigation. is that unusual, and if so what does it suggest to you? it s not a typical, and it not inherently nefarious you see third parties paying all the time legal fees for witnesses o defendants it could be apparent, it could be accompanied which is arm to identify one other director or officers. here as you pointed out in you
neither politically motivated nor designed to strengthen president biden s political hand in 2024. that is the jarring dissonance between the subpoena and mr. pence s characterization of it. it is mr. pence who has chosen to politicize the subpoena, and not the doj. the legal titan who advised vice president pence and the most perilous moment of his career is now publicly questioning pence s legal strategy, which is probably as good as mine as any than his legal argument maybe perhaps. joining us now to figure all that out is barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, and professor at the university of michigan school of law. barb, thank you as always for being here tonight. my first question is, michael luttig who was an important adviser of mike pence is just tearing apart his legal argument for not complying with the subpoena. first and foremost, he says it s not a question of if but
good as mine as any than his legal argument is maybe perhaps moot. joining us now to figure all that out is barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, and professor at the university of michigan school of law. barb, thank you as always for being here tonight. my first question is, michael luttig who was an important adviser to mike pence is just tearing apart his legal argument for not complying with the subpoena. first and foremost, he says it s not a question of if but when. and the courts will decide on this soon. do you agree with that, that if this is a delay tactic, it s not gonna work in mike pence s favor? yes, i think that s right, alex. i mean, you know, the judge, luttig, is a lion in the conservative, legal community. it s really fascinating for him to take such a public stand on this issue, especially as you said, he was the one advising
might have lied under oath during their testimony. the judge has said explicitly that tomorrow s report will not be naming names. that is obviously a huge deal, considering that they testified before the grand jury. that would be trump favorites, including a mutual giuliani and john eastman. senator lindsey graham, and former trump national security adviser, michael flynn. these are just some of the dozens of witnesses have special grand jury accusing of certain crimes here, and some of the most explosive questions will be, that is the grand jury s guess that a group of people involved in a pattern of multiple crimes, all related to one another, with the end goal of overturning the 2020 election? could this be another fani willis rico case? joining us now is barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, and director of michigan school of law. thank you for being here on this illegal
giuliani and john eastman. senator lindsey graham, and former trump national security adviser, michael flynn. these are just some of the dozens of witnesses have special grand jury accusing of certain crimes here, and some of the most explosive questions will be, that is the grand jury s guess that a group of people involved in a pattern of multiple crimes, all related to one another, with the end goal of overturning the 2020 election? could this be another fani willis rico case? joining us now is barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, and director of michigan school of law. thank you for being here on this illegal this night of all things legal.