the idea of mike pence, as his staff, gets into cars, pence says we re not leaving here, we are going to stay, and i m going to do my constitutional duty as vice president of the united states. get out of the cars, get back into the capitol. i mean, that s a very moving scene. and good for mike pence. and to see those pictures of him at this loading dock, wherever that was. you mean, this was a moment in american history that could have gone either way. i think that s, you know, so reinforced. i mean, there could have been a lot more deaths. there could have been a constitutional crisis. it was bad enough as it was. but it could have been worse. and mike pence deserves a lot of credit for the resolution was as good, if that s the word, as it turned out to be. i was a little surprised. i think it was the first hearing that the evidence came out from members of the committee that i think it was liz cheney said that when this question of hang mike pence got back to trump