then crimes against humanity because of the widespread assault on the civilian population. and now, because this is an attack against a protected group under the genocide convention, which is the ukrainian national people, with millions fleeing, including a clear assault on children, and also, forcible deportations, you have to start talking about genocide. that doesn t mean we know who has the specific intent to commit genocide. but we are seeing the indicators of genocide. and i think president biden was perfectly in his lane. the right lane as a political leader to call this out. under the genocide convention, out obligation as a state party is to prevent and punish genocide. it is not possible to prevent genocide unless you call it out early enough to do so. you can t wait five or ten years
the inference is there, even if you don t have a document that says literally, it is may specific intent to destroy all or part of this group. obviously, you re not going to have this kind of document. but cases are proven in a court of law with inferences and with other statements that get you very close to an expression of specific intent. i think at this moment. so has been said from moscow, from the kremlin, from mr. putin himself, that is so self-incriself- self-incriminati self-incriminating, that we should be talking about the seriousness of each category. war crime, crimes against humanity and genocide. they re all coming together now. biden that he would let the lawyers decide which would suggest the u.s. is not ready as of right now make a formal declaration of genocide. the u.s. state department would do that. what legal obligations would such a declaration trigger for the international community?
and then it took a while to say yes, it s crimes against humanity. now it is taking a while to say it s genocide. i like to say from the very beginning. it is atrocity crimes and you have to respond to it. a war crime, crimes against humanity or genocide, we must respond in order to try to stop it. these are the lives of hundreds of thousands and million of people at stake. you cannot hold hostage effective policy making with a definitional joust about whether it is genocide or crimes against humanity. the french are doing this in nato. you respond to the atrocity crimes. and what should the response be? the u.s. and nato have had a very strong response in terms of sanctions and aid to ukraine, a new package announced today, or yesterday, of economic aid. more, i m guessing, needs to be
explosions. seconds apart. spreading about 90 meters across a roadway, and another blast moments later. farther east, new satellite images show ground forces redeploying and moving into eastern ukraine. the donbas region in the southeast now bracing for a major russian offensive. the russian military threatening today to strike ukrainian decision making centers, such as the capital of kyiv. president biden and ukraine s president zelenskyy, biden pledging in that call to send a new round of resistance aid. it is not yet clear if biden s declaration of genocide which he offered as a personal pip, not a relevant ruling, will trigger any changes to u.s. policy. phil black joins us live from kyiv. i want to start with this new report. the report says violations occurred on the russian side but also on the ukrainian side. what are you learning? reporter: well, jake, this 110-page report essentially backs up much of what we ve been
for a report to say it is genocide. so there is a distinction between a political judgment on genocide and tuthe ultimate leg word genocide. experts as you know better than i say intent is the hardest element of this to prove. it is easy to see what the russians are doing. do they intend to be committing genocide? president biden said it is becoming clear that putin is trying to wipe out even the idea of being ukrainian. does that count as intent? it can be an inference of intent. that s what you determine in a tribunal. when it comes to the law enforcement genocide, there is a way to show that inference is demonstrated by the circumstances, including the statements being made by political leaders. you put all of that together and