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at putin and at russian chauvinism and at the desire of putin to enslave ukraine again. regarding that mutual history, it was not always mutual, ukraine and russian history. in 16th 17th century, ukraine was independent territory practically ruled by hetmans, who were military chiefs of cossacks elected in open elections by cossacks themselves, together with the higher officers. there was diplomatic service. they were corresponding. ..correspondence with hungarian tsar, with turkish sultan. there were. there was a legal system. probably, it was also corrupt, but it was completely independent from russia. ukrainians never had a tsar, never had a king or royalfamily. i don t think any. yeah, i take your point. i don t think many independent historians saw much validity in a lot of what putin was claiming about ukraine s history.

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corresponding. . . correspondence with hungarian tsar, with turkish sultan. there was a legal system, probably it was also corrupt, but it was completely independent from russia. ukrainians never had a tsar, never had a king or royalfamily. i don t think any. yeah, i take your point. i don t think many independent historians saw much validity in a lot of what putin was claiming about ukraine s history, but nonetheless, are you not in danger of going too far the other way when you say, and i think you said it to me pretty much earlier in this interview, you seem to say, oh, we ukrainians are fundamentally different from russians because russia has a sort of collective mindset, which is very reflective of a sort of soviet approach,

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