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joining me now to talk about el chapo, the criminal master mind, the cnn contributor and criminologist casey jordan. good to see you, casey. you re a believer the tunnel plan was hatched at the time of el chapo s imprisonment. so this speaks to the serious head start. is it your feeling with so much outside help that he is far away? maybe in some deep remote portion of mexico or maybe even out of country? entirely, entirely possible. i don t think we can underestimate the confidence of this man. he s very rich and very capable of bribing anyone. this plan has been in the works since he became reincarcerate add year ago after having been on the lam for 13 or 14 years. it s not like he was going to sit still. from the time he was put in the prison i m sure the tunnel was starting to be dug by the construction crew outside and his plan was hatched. he didn t just pop out of a hole

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