on to re-open it. that s sort of my macro view. as for the statements that have emerged, all i ll say is you ve got statements about a very old thing from someone who s contradicting themselves. so i don t know what they know about the confidentiality about what they re reopening. so we ll wait and hear. what i do know from the little that s publicly available is that there s not much here. ari, you re a lawyer, would you take the case? what kind of case? i mean, which part of it? clearly, this guy would never survive a minute of cross-examination with msnbc s ari melber. to krystal s point, if i was looking at this as an investigation again, i have to say, what s publicly available, i wouldn t take it as something that merits more attention unless they know a heck of a lot more than we do. we have all seen the boat captain who was on this morning, you know, he s peddling a book,
in our city have access to decent schools? this is something that has not hugely been part of the conversation, and i think would be a productive part to add. chrystia s got a question. professor duflo, very nice to talk to you. i m a huge fan of your work. one of the things that you ve been talking about with us today is that maybe public policymakers aren t sufficiently rigorous in testing their policies. is there something maybe that they can learn in terms of approach from the way maybe we test drugs and the ways that scientists use controlled experiences to see what works and what doesn t? absolutely. i think a very nice analogy in the war on poverty is the war on cancer. when we re thinking of the war on cancer, we re not thinking, well, let s get rid of cancer, full stop. we re thinking about breast cancer, we re thinking about prostate cancer, we re thinking about various kinds of cancer. and for each type of things,
done. because if you embrace the decade of renewal i m talking about, we ll emerge with a more competitive, sustainable, and just america. the kind of america we all want to leave to our children. just about a minute left, senator. isn t there an opening now for a kind of truth-telling candidate or party? it would be nice if the president would take that approach, but i don t see it in the offing? listen, that opening still exists and i hope the president will. listen, we can t wait any longer. the clock is ticking. and i read your article about or your column about the third party, but that s not going to happen now. but it seems to me the american people are crying out for leadership. and we need something better than both parties are giving us. but this president has the opportunity, i think, to lead, and i hope will. well, former senator byron dorgan, keep fighting the good fight. i ve applauded your work over the years and appreciate your taking the time to give us some insi
this is something that catholic church dealt with and there are companies that go completely bankrupt, literally, because of the actions of a few individuals. i don t think that that, for most people who are looking at this, i don t think that s an unfair thing in the sense that people are very angry and there is a desire for justice and a desire for some retribution here. having said that, of course, it will be up to all of the other innocent people at penn state to try to come to some accountability and then move forward. it is a school, and there are many people who are innocent there. the only other point i ll make is, it s not enough to just do defense. there has to be, i think, a real re-evaluation of the athletic programs and how this stuff works. something i ve talked about before on this show. so that s the the bigger piece here as well. we can t just disaggregate. we also have to reform. okay. well, chrystia, i want to get you in. let s segue, though, from the failure of pe
governing class is failing us? yeah. there s no question about that. it s a dysfunctional government at the moment. they just can t make the kind of decisions we need. and the fact is, there s no destiny for this country that s going to guarantee things are always going to be the way they were. you know, additional opportunity, economic expansion. we need good decisions being made by this government, and soon. you know, i ve been you know win worked in the clinton white house myself, as you know, senator, but i ve, increasingly vulnerable to third party temptation, because i m frustrated with the gridlock. i d like to test an idea on you. because i don t know why an independent candidate can t come to the country with a message like this. we can put something up on the screen. this is the third party stump speech i think we need. something like, you know, my fellow alienated americans, how s this for something different. i want to raise your taxes, cut spending on programs you li