donald trump, and saying that he was wrong. i know you have some reporting on the why now of it all. talk to me. well, look, i think vice president pence has been upset about what former vice president pence is upset about what former president trump has said in terms of recently of the idea that pence should have been able to overturn the election in his role as vice president. when you talk to folks around pence, when you talk to folks around trump, it s pretty clear that the animosity here is has been growing for a while, and i think pence sees, in his mind, at least, an opportunity. i m not sure that punditry or the republican voters agree with mike pence, that he s the next great choice for the republican party, but he s certainly going to take a whack at basically having trumpism up until about january 6th at noon. you know, as his platform. so, in a way, this was personal to the former vice president?