is that in the president s phone call with zelensky, he also said directly, you have to talk with rudy so what he is doing is making link that rudy equals donald trump. what sondland said as well, you know, when i spoke with donald trump, he never said, you know, you ve got to do this. but the message came through. the message came directly through rudy guiliani. the other, you know, the other point here is on this question of an announcement, why was this announcement so important? did it mean that the president rudy guiliani really wanted an investigation? or did it mean that what they really wanted was a public announcement, so that the president could use it politically and his presidential campaign and that seems to be clear, coming from the q&a with the attorney, mr. goldman. what do you think? i think you can divide the trump presidency into two periods, before november 20th,
republicans and true facts are not out for the public to see. sondland s few reports stated quote i believe ruin correct about president trump s intentions, the president has been crystal clear no quid pro quos of any kind, closed quote. that says it all. that was the president on october 8th. it s almost like president trump will have to change his position, you think that s ever happened before in do you think it s like without precedent? he s just going to say, i mean, the one thing he will say is that the text he sent of no quid pro quo was true then and is true now. i mean, he will cherry pick the parts of sondland s testimony that he agrees with, like that text message he sent to ambassador taylor. but you know anyone who followed sondland s testimony, we don t know, knows that there is no possible explanation for this
quo, but that he did insist that president zelensky go to a microphone and say that he is opening investigations of biden and 2016 election interference and that president zelensky should want to do this himself. you don t have any reason to dispute both ambassador taylor s and mr. morrison s testimony about that conversation, do you? no. on september 8th, you then had a conversation directly with ambassador taylor about this same phone call where ambassador taylor said that you confirmed that you spoke to president trump as he had suggested earlier to you and that president trump was adamant that president zelensky himself, meaning not the prosecutor general, had to, quote, clear things up and do it in public, unquote. you don t have any reason to think that ambassador taylor s
except for this quid pro quo. you think republicans will go after him for looking too good? sondland is trying to look a little too clean in all of there? he looks like he s not going to take the fall, he s not going to take the fall for donald trump. they will go after him because in his conversations with the president, the president doesn t say you have to get the you have to get the announcement in return. it s he says, talk to rudy. rudy says it. the u.s. that reminds you of michael cohen? it reminds you of michael cohen, he said, the president never says exactly what he wants, but you kind of understand it. and this reminds me very much of that. i think the reason that ambassador sondland s testimony has such gravity to it is precisely because he is a trump insider. he has the close relationship. that s why this testimony is
election meddling. so knowing all these facts from high ranking ukrainian officials, ambassador, probably makes a little more sense now as to why the president may think that there s problems with ukraine and that ukraine was out to get him? is that correct? i understand your i understand your pointed, yes, mr. chairman. as you said if your deposition, and i m just going to make sure this was your, i ll read it back to you. on page 279 for your legal team, quote, they are all corrupt. this is your this is what you said about your conversation with the president. so this is your words about what the president told you. this is the may 23rd meeting? that s correct. they are all corrupt. they are all terrible people and you know i don t want to spend any time with that. and you also said they tried to