about the timing of the moscow tower negotiations before i gave it. to be clear, mr. trump knew of and directed the trump-moscow negotiations throughout the campaign and lied about it. on the possibility of a presidential pardon trump s new lawyer lanny davis said quote prior to michael co-ens definition to defense group july 2, 2018 mike cat was open to the ongoing dang beginning of a trump pardon. during that time period he directed his attorney to explore possibilities of a pardon. this morning the president s lawyer, rudy giuliani is pushing back on that statement pointing to what he described as more inconsistencies in cohen s testimony. there are also new questions this morning about contact between congressman adam schiff s staff and cohen sources tell fox news there were at least four meetings totaling 12 hours before last week s public hearing from cohen and the house
to the financing of the moscow project. there s also we saw this in a committee hearing this week with the boss, alexandria ocasio-cortez, asking about well, did he inflate numbers or deflate numbers on insurance, on doing business with insurance companies? so we re going to see two different lines of thought here, i think. one is going to be did he have any financial ties to the russians based on the trump moscow project and a second one saying let s go back and see did he ever have problems with telling banks or insurance companies wrong numbers, telling the banks that the properties were worthles worth less thane or overstating assets. i don t know what kind of legal vulnerability that would be, because i think it would depend upon the specifics that might been uncovered and was it of a magnitude that would cause people to say this constituted fraud. paul: i think the question woulwould be, look, if this hapd
i think so. kim talked about it with regard to the financing of the moscow project. there s also we saw this in a committee hearing this week with the boss, alexandria ocasio-cortez, asking about well, did he inflate numbers or deflate numbers on insurance, on doing business with insurance companies? so we re going to see two different lines of thought here, i think. one is going to be did he have any financial ties to the russians based on the trump moscow project and a second one saying let s go back and see did he ever have problems with telling banks or insurance companies wrong numbers, telling the banks that the properties were worthles worth less thane or overstating assets. i don t know what kind of legal vulnerability that would be, because i think it would depend upon the specifics that might been uncovered and was it of a magnitude that would cause people to say this constituted fraud. paul: i think the question woulwould be, look, if this hapd
public testimony tomorrow. catherine herridge is more on capitol hill with more. catherine. reporter: we re four, five hours into the room. they did take a break for lunch. that s the entrance to the skip, or secure facility. michael cohen was last here in october of 2017. that s when he lied to congress. he was prosecuted by the special counsel for those lies about a trump moscow real estate project in 2016. cohen testified that the discussions ended in january of 2016, but it was found that they continued until june of that year. lawmakers on both sides of the aisle want to understand why cohen lied about the real estate project because the under lying act itself, the business dealings, are not criminal. they want to know if he initiated that or if he was directed to do so by someone else. republicans, for the most part, feel that cohen is not a
they ve always wanted to take back as much as ukraine as possible. it s a key part of greater russia. what we also know before the 2016 election is that two men, who is ukrainian parliamentarian who is the go between michael cohen and russian investors on the trump moscow talks approached with a peace plan where they had specific details. that s the way piece communists do it. i spoke earlier today with a person who had direct knowledge of that plan who said one of the things that was important piece of it was limited nato s access to ukraine. making it so the west had less of a military footprint where the world was trying to expand. to your point about the difficulty in charges these cases s cases, it s possible this theory may never manifest in an