something to the point where i almost said mark, did you hear him? and then mark chimed in and was like all right. anything else? still looking down at his phone. and tony looked at me, and i looked at tony. tony said no, sir, do you have any questions? he was like what are you hearing? and i looked at tony, and i was like sir, he just told you what was happening at a rallies. he said i know. i know. and then he said have you talked to the president. tony said yes, he s aware. he asked tony if tony had informed the president. yes. and tony said yes he had? so miss hutchinson, is it your understanding that mr. ornodo told the president about weapons at the rally on the morning of january 6th? that s what was relayed to me. and here s how you characterized from meadows general response when people raised concerns about what could
such a trip and agreed with the secret service that it shouldn t happen. did you have any conversations with pat cipollone about his concerns about the president going to the capitol on january 6th? on january 3rd, mr. cipollone approached me knowing that mark had raised the prospect of going up to the capitol on january 6th. mr. cipollone and i had a brief private conversation where he said to me, we need to make sure that this doesn t happen. this would be legally a terrible idea for us. we have serious legal concerns if we go up to the capitol that day, and he then urged me to continue relaying that to mr. meadows, because it s my understanding that mr. cipollone thought that mr. meadows was, indeed, pushing this along with the president. and we understand that you
say today. i said last week that she was hugely important. they had more from her than they put on the air last week. but i was not told anything about the scale of this, rather that she had a lot more context, that the committee already had more tape on her. but obviously, let s look at the big questions and how proximate she was to the president and how proximate she was to meadows. and certainly to meadows, and the same question pertains. did the president, did meadows know or say that he had lost the election. if she heard meadows say that, that is of huge importance. and i presume she s going to be asked about that today. also, does she have contemporaneous notes? she might well. did she keep a diary? what did in fact the leadership of the republican party in the senate particularly say when she was in meetings with them? as you know, on your broadcast i
accompanying rallying attendees to the 6th. this was at the 6th. this was during the after he finished his remarks. when the president said that he would be going to the capitol during his speech on the ellipse, the secret service scrambled to find a way for him to go. we know this from witnesses and the secret service. also from messages among staff on the president s national security counsel. the nse staff were monitoring the situation in realtime. and you can see how the situation e evolved in the following chat log that the committee has obtained. as you can see, nsc staff believed that mogul, the president, was, quote, going to the capitol. and, quote, they are finding the best route now. from these chats, we also know the staff learned of the attack on the capitol in realtime. when president trump left the
hall from your office to the oval office. is that right? that s correct. thank you. pursuant to the section 5-5-8 of house resolution 503, the chair recognizes a young woman from wyoming, miss cheney for questions. thank you very much, mr. chairman. mr. chairman, we will begin today with an exchange that first provided miss hutchinson a h tangible sense for the ongoing planning of january 6th. on january 2nd, four days before the attack on our capitol, president trump s lead lawyer, mr. giuliani, was meeting with mark meadows and others. miss hutchinson, do you remember mr. giuliani meeting with meadows. i do, we met with meadows on the evening of january 2nd, 2021.