making the point that this happened in part because of the deregulations that he put in place as president but focusing on the cleanup as quickly as possible. shannon: okay. but the ntsb seems to suggest that wasn t the case, it wasn t an issue of the brakes and that kind of regulatory issue but they still did roll back regulations at a time when people are feeling like maybe there ought to be more. so there s a political fight to be had. i think the administration is right to folk if more on the cleanup and getting people back on track. shannon: secretary buttigieg got there after president trump kid. here s what he said. what i tried to do is balance two things, my desire to be involved and enbeiged and on the ground concern engaged and on the ground which is how i am generally wired to act and my desire to follow the norm of transportation secretaries, allowing ntsb to the really lead the initial stages of the public-facing work. i ll do some thinking about whether i got that
are questioning when he got that balance right. it was bad. it was a bad moment for the administration. trump was handing out water, he s the first one there, and buttigieg is handing out apologies. so the entire optics were bad to start with. and then i would have thought of all the cabinet secretaries, the one that wouldn t need fashion advice would be major pete mayor pete with his fancy boots. that was a whole moment. the number one thing you do when there s a tragedy is be there and be there early. and they didn t do that. trump beat em to it. he sucked the oxygen out of the ukraine visit that owe joe biden had, so it just was a win for the trump campaign and a bad with, bad look for the biden administration. shannon: the white house will say they had federal crews and assets on the ground. the big names weren t there. i don t think the president will go, but to have a cabinet secretary, that was later, but there have been assets on the ground, to be fair. okay, so let s talk
as a third party spoiler? that sounds like he s not running for re-election, is what that sounds like. i have a better chance of winning south carolina than joe pan chin does against man din does against joe manchin does with joe biden. if it s anyone besides trump, it s a real problem because trump provides the base motivation for democrats. that s what took us from a historical 125 million-vote turn out to 150 last time. and so i think that s their hope, that they get the rematch that they want and the rest of the country really isn t looking for. shannon: well, and, mo, president trump has not committed to supporting the gop nominee if it s not him. so there s also this she their scenario the scenario for the gop that he decides to run as a third party. yeah, look, there s many republicans who sweat donald trump as there are do democrats who sweat donald trump. i think he is a walking grenade in any room of politics, right? you never know when he goes off and what it doe
the progressive movement, then it s impossible for us to offer positive, optimistic solutions to the challenges that we face because of the progressive wing of the democrat party. shannon: you touch there, and you do often, about your personal story. it s very inspiring and compelling to people whether they support you or not. but even your supporters say there has to be more. an opinion piece very favorable to you says you re a talented candidate finding your theme, but you have to be careful not to substitute first-person narrative for an argument about why he is the right person to lead the country. so if you get in, what is the argument for you policy wise versus president trump or anybody else who gets into this field? how are you different or better than the other options? well, shannon, one of the things i love to take time to talk about, and i hope we have about 30 minutes left to have this conversation [laughter] shannon: slightly less. is the policy [laughter] okay, s
are questioning when he got that balance right. it was bad. it was a bad moment for the administration. trump was handing out water, he s the first one there, and buttigieg is handing out apologies. so the entire optics were bad to start with. and then i would have thought of all the cabinet secretaries, the one that wouldn t need fashion advice would be major pete mayor pete with his fancy boots. that was a whole moment. the number one thing you do when there s a tragedy is be there and be there early. and they didn t do that. trump beat em to it. he sucked the oxygen out of the ukraine visit that owe joe biden had, so it just was a win for the trump campaign and a bad with, bad look for the biden administration. shannon: the white house will say they had federal crews and assets on the ground. the big names weren t there. i don t think the president will go, but to have a cabinet secretary, that was later, but there have been assets on the ground, to be fair. okay, so let s talk