himself collude with the russians, this is sort of the question trump 2016. he was exonerated. there is not a shred of evidence it could be developed, it could be shown later. as of today, and as of months and months now, investigation begun in july of last year, we see no evidence of that. clayton: all right. so there is so much to unpack here. on the one hand, yes, no evidence of collusion. on the other hand please leave the room i want to have a private discussion to maybe push things in a certain direction. maybe criminally maybe nothing there culturally, morally, where are we at with that? that s the larger question. pete: it becomes he said, he said. tapes. more on the program did president trump have tapes of the recording or was he bluffing and saying hey, i might have tapes? you better tell the truth. some are saying that might have been the master negotiator putting that out there so that comey doesn t stretch the truth. you have got two guys basically saying he lied and he l