truthfulness. if we could just extrapolate a little bit of what giuliani did say today, because while he talked about the stormy daniels payoff, he talked about a knew sans payment, that the $130,000 is a lot for a situation like this, because trump is worth a lot more money. and this does contradict the whole there was no payment, justified payment, and i guess it writes to the issue of does this help investigators zone in on whether this was campaign money? this was money paid to withhold information from the voting public, as opposed what giuliani said, it protecting his family? well, you know, i think that the best defense that they ve got and actually there s colonels colonel colonel kernels of it as to what giuliani is saying, michael cohen is on retainer, that michael cohen is responsible for
attorney joe jackson and criminal defen criminal to help put an end to the russia proper, but now we have him creating all this confusion around the stormy daniels payment. so what does this say to you about trump s legal strategy if at all, so what do you see happening from here now that all that s out there? it s perplexing, it s confusing, it s disorienting, it s chaotic, we serve as advocates for our client, we have the rollout of giuliani and he comes out on tv talking about three cardinal sins he commits, number one he contradicts the president with regard to his knowledge of the payment, number two, he contradicts cohen, and number who and three, he
trains wrecks for giuliani and the president. every interview they give, the facts take on a new life of their own, and this is what happens when you lie and try to cover up and this is exactly what happens. and you also said that trump fixer michael cohen will cohen doesn t have any incriminating president president trump? you re saying you don t think he s sure about that? he should be absolutely unsure about that. i don t think there s any question, and i have said this for a while, that michael cohen is going to turn states evidence on the president, and there s a lot of conduct and a lot of evidence that s going to come to light. let s start off with this $130,000 payment, the stories they re trying to peddle to the american people are forever changing over the last few months even over the last 72
hours. now giuliani is saying he doesn t know the facts, he isn t really up to speed. these are the most basic facts that you would find out as an attorney in the first 30 minutes of a meeting with a client. this is not that complicated of a situation. when did the president know about the 130,0$130,000 payment? did he reimburse it, they re simple questions. first the question didn t know about it, then he knew, but then claimed michael cohen paid for it himself. then last week, rudy giuliani said that the president imburs d reimbursed cohen. she was trying to clarify an apparent denial from president trump when he was asked on air
to keep quiet about the relationship? it doesn t matter to me, what matters to me is too relevant legal things, number one, it s not a campaign contribution that would have been done anything. this is the kind of thing i have settled for celebrities and famous people, every lawyer that does that kind of work has. and number two, even if it was considered a campaign contribution, it was entirely reimbursed from personal funds. which i don t even think we ll get to because one is enough. i think michael cohen got a big boost with judge ellis s comments the other day. you also told buzz feed that at some point after the 2016 election, michael cohen had explained to some people that he hadn t been maid by donald trump, and then you said that cohen met with donald trump and told him, and he was told we ll work out your expenses and then there was a $135,000 retainer