the ones who are also conservative, but also support trump, what do you say to them, when they are still on the trump bandwagon, and refuse to get off, even at the cost of what could be our democracy? look, any republican, and rick knows this, any republican or conservative who s not all the way they re on trump, if they care about our democracy, they have to support the democratic nominee. i mean, i m in the trenches every day, charles, trying to convince people in the maga world to fight for our democracy. that s a tough left. but when you take all the rest of us, conservatives, independents, democrats, and progressives, if we all come together at this moment in time, we can stop trump. rick, you were one of the first people who came out in the never trump republican party group. do you think that joe manchin is ever going to be the one to appeal to never trumpers and be
election should be considered one of the highest crimes possible because that is striking at the core of our republic. we will see what the charges is the jackson springs. i m always surprised and disappointed by some of your colleagues in the house who cannot take any offered exit ramp to get off the trump bandwagon. but it is way worse than that in congress. there is an effort underway to expunge both of don t trump s impeachments. i don t know how that even works in congress. but, how does that make you feel? you and your fellow members of congress were there on january 6th. when this happened. that perfect phone call that led to the first impeachment has a role to play in this war in ukraine. these are remarkably serious things. and rather than criticizing donald trump for either of them, your republican colleagues are looking to expunge the impeachments. democrats pass the infrastructure law to rebuild roads and bridges and highways, to bring back high tech manufacturing to am
jumping on that trump bandwagon. ron desantis called the indictment the weaponization of government. vivek ramaswamy is urging every presidential candidate to pardon trump if elected even before the trial has begun. nikki haley embraced the idea of a pardon and miami mayor frances soares who is a guest putting himself as a moderate in this presidential field, he also vowed to pardon trump. these gop candidates are at the top of a pyramid of authoritarian bargainers. today of trump s arraignment? asha public and leaders including speaker kevin mccarthy reiterated their support for trump calling the arraignment a quote dark day for our country. but mccarthy is just doubling down on the man who he embraced only weeks after the insurrection because for these people they still see political value in being tied to donald trump. as ruth explained on her substack, the root of this bargain derives from the desire for power and the need to
second indictment all were bound to bring the gop even closer to him. as msnbc columnist ruth ben-ghiat laid out for us on the indictment special for republicans, this unending loyalty isn t some lucky fluke for trump. it s a derangement syndrome that is infecting the gop called the authoritarian bargain. this is consistent with an authoritarian party that s in thrall to a cult leader. and there is something called in authoritarian bargain and that is when a leader like trump who demands loyalty and is highly corrupt gets political elites to sign on. to support him. once they do that they stick with him no matter what happens. i m telling you no matter what happens. even trump s presidential rivals who should want him out of the race they re actually jumping on that trump bandwagon. ron desantis called the indictment the weaponization of government.
think that s the case. i think you can hold two ideas at the same time point. it s interesting before this indictment came. mark kelly, democratic senator arizona was warning about the risk of this. and then yesterday on the sunday shows, we heard democrat joe manchin talking about that, and then also, we heard republican senator bill cassidy, who of course, voted to convict trump and his second impeach. moment also warning, so it s not just those that are always on the trump bandwagon, but i think that when you look at this polling among republicans, there s an overwhelming view that this is a political prosecution is david mentions. that doesn t mean that everybody who thinks that doesn t believe that there is also potentially something to it. but you know, the interesting thing about this to me is everybody asks. well, do you think this will help trump and his campaign? i actually think a lot of the motivation for his campaign is to help him against these indictments. and you can se