to that effect. but here exactly it s not. it s not a true defense. the question is not so much did he believe the election was truly stolen, but what act, further to your point, did he take, did he and his coconspirators take, regardless of his subjective state of mind? did he believe that these electors that submitted the certificates to congress, were they the true electors, or did they go to a basement somewhere and say they were in the state house. there are so many questions like that. an important point. not did he think it was stolen from him, but did the electors scheme, did they believe the electors were what they said they were, the rightful electors. and that, i think, is a tougher case to make. rick hasen, danya perry, thanks so much for your time. coming up, his investigation laid the foundation for upcoming court battle. congressman jamie raskin and
around him was saying there was no fraud, and the former president himself said things to that effect. but here exactly it s not. it s not a true defense. the question is not so much did he believe the election was truly stolen, but what act, further to your point, did he take, did he and his coconspirators take, regardless of his subjective state of mind? did he believe that these electors that submitted the certificates to congress, were they the true electors, or did they go to a basement somewhere and say they were in the state house. there are so many questions like that. an important point. not did he think it was stolen from him, but did the electors scheme, did they believe the electors were what they said they were, the rightful electors. and that, i think, is a tougher case to make. rick hasen, danya perry, thanks so much for your ticoming u ountry hree trials an county around a presidential campaign we re gonna go down that path.
being held accountable for the roles they played in a plot to overturn the results of the 2020 election. this week, michigan s attorney general filed felony charges against 16 republicans she says acted as fake electors. the 16 individuals are false certificates that they hoped would have allowed them to overturn president biden s victory in the state. those 16 people stint accused of knowingly interfering with the will of the people. some showed up at the state capitol in lansing, claiming to be the true electors. fortunately, alone officer blocked them from entering, since the real electors were inside. these election deniers falsely claimed that donald trump was victorious, and they fabricated certificates designed to fulfill their fantasy of getting the former president to remain in office. michigan is not alone when it comes to this level of election interference. six other swing states the president biden rightfully one
focused on a plan by trump and his allies to submit slates of fake electors in states where trump lost the election. do you think it s starting to look like a sprawling indictment that could be in the works? well , i think good prosecutors seek to hit singles and doubles. they don t need to hit grand slam home runs. i think they would be well advised to have a narrowly tailored indictment if there s an indictment that s merited. and that would be about this false electors scheme, the effort to get people to file false affidavits and to certify essentially that they were, in fact, true electors. if you remember, these false electors schemes blossomed on december 14th. it was december 18th that we had that oval office meeting that we just talked about.
all these things come together and smith has to figure out whether anyone is indictable and for what. i personally would like to see a narrowly focus case on the false electors scheme. i think it s most understandable and most easily prosecuted. michael zeldin, great to see you. thank you so much. thanks, fred. coming up, officials are increasing shark patrols on new york beaches after five people were bitten within a 24-hour period. how drones are playing a role. to help you see untappeded possibilities and relentlessly work with you to make them real. this week isis your chance to try any subwbway footlong for free. like the subway series menu. just buy any footlong in the app, and get one free. everyone loves free stuff chuck. can we get peyton a footlong? get it before it s gone. on the subway app.